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Post by dave1 on May 21, 2016 8:35:59 GMT
Someone put in an FOI for the timetables which should have come in last September. Night tube WTTs
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Post by Nortube on May 24, 2016 8:53:13 GMT
Thanks for that, now downloaded them.
I think that this might possibly be the first time that the Northern line has had a separate Friday section as part of the normal WTT
Looking at the night service from Morden, there is a train departing every 7½ minutes (all via CX, splitting to give a 15 minute service to Edgware / High Barnet) from normal close of traffic to start of traffic times on both days.
That's a good frequency - equal to, or better than some off-peak daily services of past timetables.
It is also a more frequent service than is run on New Years Eve.
As NYE is on Saturday this year, I assume that this will mean there will be no NYE bonus paid to train staff as the duties will be covered by drivers who are booked to work nights anyway (the bonus is only paid to drivers who work NYE night duty who were not rostered to work nights on that night)
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Post by dave1 on May 24, 2016 9:48:40 GMT
Thanks for that, now downloaded them. I think that this might possibly be the first time that the Northern line has had a separate Friday section as part of the normal WTT Looking at the night service from Morden, there is a train departing every 7½ minutes (all via CX, splitting to give a 15 minute service to Edgware / High Barnet) from normal close of traffic to start of traffic times on both days. That's a good frequency - equal to, or better than some off-peak daily services of past timetables. It is also a more frequent service than is run on New Years Eve. As NYE is on Saturday this year, I assume that this will mean there will be no NYE bonus paid to train staff as the duties will be covered by drivers who are booked to work nights anyway (the bonus is only paid to drivers who work NYE night duty who were not rostered to work nights on that night) That was a good find, you are right the service seems very good but I don't think I would want to work as it may be full of people that are tanked up and then there is all the other problems that come with that, trains being used as toilets and all the vomit only time will tell. Is it an agreed thing that the staff that work NYE get the bonus or have the management put it in that NYE on a Friday/Saturday once night tube is up and running will not get it.
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Post by Nortube on May 24, 2016 10:30:40 GMT
I'm not sure how much effect that will have on the tube. Obviously there may be problems, but with a 7½ minute service to Morden, the south end of the Northern line shouldn't be too bad as hopefully any potential trouble would b spread over several trains rather than just one. North of Camden Town, with its 15 minute service might be different. Obviously, it's a different scenario for stations. Compared to past years, I think that the tube generally a much better and safer. I remember Saturdays in the seventies when whole District line trains would have their windows smashed and other damage done on a regular basis by football hooligans. Later, when services were cut back in the eighties due to lack of passengers, working lates on a Northern line train could be scary because of passenger behaviour, especially on trains going towards Morden. I think that much of this was due to the long gaps that people had to wait for trains - eight to ten minutes, or longer if a train was cancelled. There was much improvement in later years when the service frequency was increased right up to close of traffic. One of the problems on the last trains of the day at the weekend was that people knew they had to get these trains or walk home and so there sometimes tended to be large groups of people. With the all night running, people can just get the tube when they want it. Only time will tell. Apparently there will be more police presence, although sod's law will probably mean that if there is problem on the train there might not be anyone around! One of the advantages with the newer stock of today is that the operation of a passenger alarm will not stop the train and the driver can still carry on to the next station. One of the biggest problems in the past was rowdy passengers pulling the alarm down, stopping the train and then the Guard or Driver having to go reset it. This process may often be repeated several times before the train finally got moving again. There is also the advantage of technology. In the time of the problems in the past, many trains had no radio, older trains also had no P.A. The only communication to the controller between stations being via Drico (rarely worked) or clipping the handset on the Tunnel Telephone wires - that usually got an answer
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Jim
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Post by Jim on May 24, 2016 13:34:02 GMT
I find it strange how the Working Timetables still have "Private for staff use only" When they can now be downloaded by anyone direct from the TfL website/.
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Post by Nortube on May 24, 2016 16:28:45 GMT
NR has that at the beginning of each section WTT book that is downloadable (and I assume is the same on the printed copy). I can't find it on the NR downloadable passenger timetable. As far as LU is concerned, whilst I can understand a Traffic Circular being Private because it may include confidential information (such as telephone numbers etc.), I've never understood the reason for a WTT being private as it doesn't contain any confidential information. I can only suppose that the reason was that they didn't want outsiders to know when trains actually should arrive I assume that the reason Privateit still remains on copies (paper or downloadable) is that either: a) LU are keeping their options open for the future or, more likely: 2) Nobody thought about removing it from the WTT template
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Post by Jim on May 25, 2016 13:42:38 GMT
NR has that at the beginning of each section WTT book that is downloadable (and I assume is the same on the printed copy). I can't find it on the NR downloadable passenger timetable. As far as LU is concerned, whilst I can understand a Traffic Circular being Private because it may include confidential information (such as telephone numbers etc.), I've never understood the reason for a WTT being private as it doesn't contain any confidential information. I can only suppose that the reason was that they didn't want outsiders to know when trains actually should arrive I assume that the reason Privateit still remains on copies (paper or downloadable) is that either: a) LU are keeping their options open for the future or, more likely: 2) Nobody thought about removing it from the WTT template Private is still on the printed timetables as well as on the downloadable versions. Here's the link to the downloadable timetables on the TfL website London Underground WTT's
Out of curiosity I looked at a few timetables and noticed the Bakerloo line still has timings from Watford Junction even though the line hasn't ran there for over 30 years as does the Met line have timings from Aylesbury and it's services ended even further back. Also the Victoria line is timetabled in seconds.
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