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Post by GentlemanJim on May 13, 2014 7:18:44 GMT
Free speech is just that and with it come rumour and counter rumour, speculation and at times just a load of nonsense. We Admin. on the London's Transport Forum pride ourselves on holding a debate on ANY subject that arises, we will never bow down to any outside pressure to close a thread., unlike some.
The quote below has been lifted from the DD Forum, the thread is locked.
The forum staff understand that TfL/London Underground are investigating the circumstances and the full facts are not yet known. Therefore it would be inappropriate for members to post threads or comments regarding this incident, that may well be speculative, on the forum.
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Post by railtechnician on May 13, 2014 12:57:26 GMT
Jim,
I pretty much gave up on DD about two years ago, as an experienced technician in multiple disciplines my interest was more technical than operational and that side of DD has all but been completely shut down. It has become a crime to state the obvious there let alone speculate so these days I tend to be more of a lurker there.
I noted that the thread had been locked and it makes no sense whatsoever. There is so much that cannot be discussed there these days, DD is a shadow of what it once was.
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Post by GentlemanJim on May 13, 2014 14:57:56 GMT
Jim, I pretty much gave up on DD about two years ago, as an experienced technician in multiple disciplines my interest was more technical than operational and that side of DD has all but been completely shut down. It has become a crime to state the obvious there let alone speculate so these days I tend to be more of a lurker there. I noted that the thread had been locked and it makes no sense whatsoever. There is so much that cannot be discussed there these days, DD is a shadow of what it once was. RT. I think you pretty much sum up perfectly the way the DD site has gone. I was one of it's first members when Dave run it and the discussions were indeed interesting and varied, the way it is now is not a shadow of it's former self. I remember some years back someone innocently asking if Traction Current remained on over the Xmas period, the post was promptly locked with a stern warning 'not to discuss' such sensitive information so I'd assume that talking about signal relays or what's a leaky feeder is sensitive and can't be discussed hence the end of the technical chat. I was thinking the other day about the way this Forum has evolved and I think it's fair to say there is a healthy mix of technical, operational, historical and enthusiast threads, we're open to suggestions, have the members on our side who are quick to report any 'intrusions' that might occur but above all we are an independent Forum that won't be told by anyone what we can and can't discuss.
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Post by hellocontrol on May 14, 2014 7:32:01 GMT
Jim, I pretty much gave up on DD about two years ago, as an experienced technician in multiple disciplines my interest was more technical than operational and that side of DD has all but been completely shut down. It has become a crime to state the obvious there let alone speculate so these days I tend to be more of a lurker there. I noted that the thread had been locked and it makes no sense whatsoever. There is so much that cannot be discussed there these days, DD is a shadow of what it once was. RT, You are right DD forum was once the forum to be on but I was like you but no longer look at it let alone be a member anymore. I think some of those involved are brown nosing and it has moved on to having their tongues ready and able to lick wherever they are required to such a shame. If it was in Germany then we all know what happened there I won't go on only to say that I see one of the Mods from there is a member here although I would not expect him to voice anything regarding this.
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Post by hellocontrol on May 14, 2014 7:34:24 GMT
Jim, I pretty much gave up on DD about two years ago, as an experienced technician in multiple disciplines my interest was more technical than operational and that side of DD has all but been completely shut down. It has become a crime to state the obvious there let alone speculate so these days I tend to be more of a lurker there. I noted that the thread had been locked and it makes no sense whatsoever. There is so much that cannot be discussed there these days, DD is a shadow of what it once was. RT. I think you pretty much sum up perfectly the way the DD site has gone. I was one of it's first members when Dave run it and the discussions were indeed interesting and varied, the way it is now is not a shadow of it's former self. I remember some years back someone innocently asking if Traction Current remained on over the Xmas period, the post was promptly locked with a stern warning 'not to discuss' such sensitive information so I'd assume that talking about signal relays or what's a leaky feeder is sensitive and can't be discussed hence the end of the technical chat. I was thinking the other day about the way this Forum has evolved and I think it's fair to say there is a healthy mix of technical, operational, historical and enthusiast threads, we're open to suggestions, have the members on our side who are quick to report any 'intrusions' that might occur but above all we are an independent Forum that won't be told by anyone what we can and can't discuss. GJ, You are also so right don't ask anything because like you have said you would be the villain. This forum is excellent and we all know how to behave without being told.
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Post by Nortube on May 14, 2014 8:49:06 GMT
Jim, I pretty much gave up on DD about two years ago, as an experienced technician in multiple disciplines my interest was more technical than operational and that side of DD has all but been completely shut down. It has become a crime to state the obvious there let alone speculate so these days I tend to be more of a lurker there. I noted that the thread had been locked and it makes no sense whatsoever. There is so much that cannot be discussed there these days, DD is a shadow of what it once was. The technical query that dare not speak its name! (with apologies to Lord Alfred Douglas)
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Post by railtechnician on May 14, 2014 9:33:27 GMT
Jim, I pretty much gave up on DD about two years ago, as an experienced technician in multiple disciplines my interest was more technical than operational and that side of DD has all but been completely shut down. It has become a crime to state the obvious there let alone speculate so these days I tend to be more of a lurker there. I noted that the thread had been locked and it makes no sense whatsoever. There is so much that cannot be discussed there these days, DD is a shadow of what it once was. RT. I think you pretty much sum up perfectly the way the DD site has gone. I was one of it's first members when Dave run it and the discussions were indeed interesting and varied, the way it is now is not a shadow of it's former self. I remember some years back someone innocently asking if Traction Current remained on over the Xmas period, the post was promptly locked with a stern warning 'not to discuss' such sensitive information so I'd assume that talking about signal relays or what's a leaky feeder is sensitive and can't be discussed hence the end of the technical chat. I was thinking the other day about the way this Forum has evolved and I think it's fair to say there is a healthy mix of technical, operational, historical and enthusiast threads, we're open to suggestions, have the members on our side who are quick to report any 'intrusions' that might occur but above all we are an independent Forum that won't be told by anyone what we can and can't discuss. GJ, I really began to give up on DD when helping out the railway modellers with some general info regarding trackside cable runs where I mentioned the typical colours of the sheaths of various cables used for signals, communications and electrical services. All trackside cabling is not dirty dusty bland lead covered or otherwise black as it almost universally once was. That was deemed by the mods to be 'sensitive' information but to any competent technician or interested observer it is not difficult to deduce with some certainly the general usage of cables seen in the runs. There is nothing specific in a sheath colour as such and unlike NR where most cables are black sheathed LT/LU has used cables from many manufacturers within and without the UK using the manufacturers standard range of sheath colours. There is thus no sheath colour code, different manufacturers using different colours for the same cable type or the same colour for different usages, to identify or otherwise determine the specific use of any cable, there are other factors, visual, spacial etc, to be taken into account such as diameter, weight, texture, flexibility, location and obvious termination points. In my time on the railway very little was labelled so knowledge and experience was required much more than it is these days to know with reasonable certainty the type and usage. Since LU took the step in the late 1990s of identifying and labelling every cable not only at its terminations but also 'in the run' it is far simpler to know or deduce the usage than it was when I learnt my trade. There is of course plenty of info online for those who like to research such things and I have always had an interest in all things utility from a very young age, thus I saw my working life in two careers as being paid to enjoy my hobbies!
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Post by centralsimon on May 16, 2014 6:59:08 GMT
I joined DD when I joined LU back in 2002. Found it great way to learn the job from those who really know it - rather than the trainers - and a great way to network with other grades and I still have many friends through DD. Sadly the site started to go wrong with their desire to be "official". LU management seemed to influence more and more , or the admin and mods were scared to potentially upset management with any discussion. The straw that broke the camels back for me was about a year ago. LU officially advised staff to inform their friends and family that CSA was being advertised shortly and the application process is likely to be over subscribed and close early. So I decided to post this info to the many enthusiasts on DD site. My "crime" was to cut and paste the email asking staff to inform their friends of the job. The post was canned with a stern warning from an admin....
Haven't visited dd for ages so not sure how many LU staff regularly post but I suspect its nothing like it was in its better days.
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Post by GentlemanJim on May 16, 2014 8:01:29 GMT
Apologies for not replying sooner RT. I've challenged the Admin. on the DD site in the past and now banned for life, calling them dictatorial' was probably too much for there ego's to take.
You're right when it comes to information being available on the www. but many people like to get in to a conversation about the fine art of certain subjects, asking those who actually have first hand experience, the do's and don'ts etc.
Over on the Forum Facebook page they vehemently deny they are in the pocket of LU but it's as clear as day they are, they've lost a substantial amount of LU staff (they admitted that) simply because of the way it's now run and if they carry on the way they are more and more people will defect until it either folds or just becomes another wayside forum which would be a great shame as that is not what Dave Maloney wanted.
I'm off on my travels for a week or so, popping in to Epping Signal Box on the way to see the lads down there so I'll leave the Forum in the capable hands of Nortube.
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Post by GentlemanJim on May 16, 2014 8:12:07 GMT
I joined DD when I joined LU back in 2002. Found it great way to learn the job from those who really know it - rather than the trainers - and a great way to network with other grades and I still have many friends through DD. Sadly the site started to go wrong with their desire to be "official". LU management seemed to influence more and more , or the admin and mods were scared to potentially upset management with any discussion. The straw that broke the camels back for me was about a year ago. LU officially advised staff to inform their friends and family that CSA was being advertised shortly and the application process is likely to be over subscribed and close early. So I decided to post this info to the many enthusiasts on DD site. My "crime" was to cut and paste the email asking staff to inform their friends of the job. The post was canned with a stern warning from an admin.... Haven't visited dd for ages so not sure how many LU staff regularly post but I suspect its nothing like it was in its better days. Welcome to the Forum Simon. I couldn't have put it better myself, well said. There are fewer and fewer LU Staff posting on DD these days as is evident from the posts on that site, you don't need a degree to work out who the experienced Railwaymen are. Your 'crime' and their reaction is typical of the shortsightedness of those who run that sight, had you posted it here you'd have probably got a pat on the back. If you've read our welcome message you'll see that we won't be dictated to from anyone, not LU. NR. TOCS etc. Keep up the posts and spread the word about this Forum, it will be greatly appreciated.
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Post by class345 on May 18, 2014 8:37:30 GMT
In my opinion all members should be treated the same, staff or not.
DD admin seemed to have an attitude when confronted about canning the S stock discussion that one of the main things they need to do is avoid LU staff getting wound up by anyone. I can't stand it when people treat railway staff differently just because of the job they do, like they are more important as members.
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Post by railtechnician on May 18, 2014 16:01:53 GMT
In my opinion all members should be treated the same, staff or not. DD admin seemed to have an attitude when confronted about canning the S stock discussion that one of the main things they need to do is avoid LU staff getting wound up by anyone. I can't stand it when people treat railway staff differently just because of the job they do, like they are more important as members. Well DD has taken the view that staff are vulnerable, to some extent I understand that. The problem is that DD has tried to be all things to all people, a view of the system for the general public, a view of passenger opinion for TfL and LUL management, a technical forum for those interested in engineering aspects, an operational information source for those who are interested in day to day operations, a history site, a think tank where virtual planners can express their views of the future, a staff club, an enthusiasts utopia etc. I think DD needs to decide what's its place is, I do know that all the mods were not in agreement about its direction but that was several months ago. In my opinion staff who are worried about being compromised in some way should either not be members or be somewhat anonymous. These days I do find DD less and less interesting although there have been a couple of recent topics that interest me, most of the time these days it takes very little of my time.
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Post by quokka on May 23, 2014 3:19:12 GMT
Having been on a few different forums and knowing what goes on in them, just note that there will be people on this forum reporting back to this DD site exactly what is being said, written and discussed and probably vice versa.
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Post by railtechnician on May 23, 2014 7:51:40 GMT
Having been on a few different forums and knowing what goes on in them, just note that there will be people on this forum reporting back to this DD site exactly what is being said, written and discussed and probably vice versa. Q I don't doubt it for a second, gossip makes the world go around.
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Post by GentlemanJim on May 28, 2014 19:55:42 GMT
Having been on a few different forums and knowing what goes on in them, just note that there will be people on this forum reporting back to this DD site exactly what is being said, written and discussed and probably vice versa. Q Quokka, if that's the case then it's fine by me and the others who set this Forum up. We stand for free speech without interference from outside sources, this Forum is generally moderated by it's members.
I wasn't aware (how stupid of me) that not all the Moderators on DD aren't singing from the same song sheet but I'm not surprised, if they feel disillusioned they can always come and join this Forum.
Apologies for late response, I've been away.
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