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Post by hellocontrol on Feb 25, 2014 18:13:08 GMT
Perhaps this should go under signalling but I believe there was once a proposal to put the W&C onto Wood Lane? I know they had overall control at one time and may still have this.
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Post by GentlemanJim on Feb 25, 2014 20:04:51 GMT
Perhaps this should go under signalling but I believe there was once a proposal to put the W&C onto Wood Lane? I know they had overall control at one time and may still have this. I was at Wood Lane for over 10 years and under BVC there was talk of using the spare console for the Victoria Line but not the W&C although that would make sense. |
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Post by hellocontrol on Feb 26, 2014 9:47:59 GMT
Perhaps this should go under signalling but I believe there was once a proposal to put the W&C onto Wood Lane? I know they had overall control at one time and may still have this. I was at Wood Lane for over 10 years and under BVC there was talk of using the spare console for the Victoria Line but not the W&C although that would make sense. GJ you know what LU are like the same happened when the Jubilee control room opened at Baker Street there was a console not connected to anything and it happened to be coloured brown so it was obvious to everyone it was to control the Bakerloo. Going back to the W&C you think they would just put a console in Wood Lane it's so easy to do. |
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Post by drico on Feb 26, 2014 17:46:37 GMT
I was at Wood Lane for over 10 years and under BVC there was talk of using the spare console for the Victoria Line but not the W&C although that would make sense. GJ you know what LU are like the same happened when the Jubilee control room opened at Baker Street there was a console not connected to anything and it happened to be coloured brown so it was obvious to everyone it was to control the Bakerloo. Going back to the W&C you think they would just put a console in Wood Lane it's so easy to do. The staff in the Waterloo & City signalling control room are paid less that the staff at Wood Lane, if it was put into Wood Lane LUL would have a higher wage costs. |
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Post by GentlemanJim on Feb 26, 2014 19:54:33 GMT
The original consuls at Wood Lane are gone so whether it's feasible or not remains to be seen but if it was moved you can bet your life not all the staff from the W&C would be needed, how many are there?
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 26, 2014 23:39:37 GMT
GJ you know what LU are like the same happened when the Jubilee control room opened at Baker Street there was a console not connected to anything and it happened to be coloured brown so it was obvious to everyone it was to control the Bakerloo. Going back to the W&C you think they would just put a console in Wood Lane it's so easy to do. The staff in the Waterloo & City signalling control room are paid less that the staff at Wood Lane, if it was put into Wood Lane LUL would have a higher wage costs. That simply is not so although the RMT would like to think it had the power to force it to be so! If you were around when the then new Bakerloo control room opened in the late 1980s you'll surely be aware that new controllers were made up on lower pay than existing controllers, most of whom choose to take severance or early retirement due to the increased workload. The Bakerloo of course was the trial 'Command and Control' live control room where the controller grade effectively wore all the hats, Controller, Info Assistant, Signalman and Engineering Works Controller. As for the desks in the control rooms, the original 1980s desks at Baker Street and Cobourg Street control rooms like those at Waterloo and other station operations room locations were brown because they were made from GRP to the same pattern for general use. I replaced all such desks at Cobourg Street with the metal blue/grey desks and my colleagues did the same in the Bakerloo/Central and Met/Jub control rooms although I ended up have to do a tidy in the Met/Jub to bring the room up to standard at the time. The new Bakerloo (the third Bakerloo control room during my service) control room was a location I knew well as I had the job of centralising all the Bakerloo stick phones there, putting train radio on the signalman desk suite, designing and installing the TED circuitry in the controller desk, all the associated works on level 5 and at sites and the final commissioning of those circuits. Of course the Cobourg Street desks got changed out again as I recall when BT got the job of installing new telephone kit similar to that which it installed for the Bakerloo. |
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Post by hellocontrol on Feb 27, 2014 8:41:21 GMT
The staff in the Waterloo & City signalling control room are paid less that the staff at Wood Lane, if it was put into Wood Lane LUL would have a higher wage costs. That simply is not so although the RMT would like to think it had the power to force it to be so! If you were around when the then new Bakerloo control room opened in the late 1980s you'll surely be aware that new controllers were made up on lower pay than existing controllers, most of whom choose to take severance or early retirement due to the increased workload. The Bakerloo of course was the trial 'Command and Control' live control room where the controller grade effectively wore all the hats, Controller, Info Assistant, Signalman and Engineering Works Controller. As for the desks in the control rooms, the original 1980s desks at Baker Street and Cobourg Street control rooms like those at Waterloo and other station operations room locations were brown because they were made from GRP to the same pattern for general use. I replaced all such desks at Cobourg Street with the metal blue/grey desks and my colleagues did the same in the Bakerloo/Central and Met/Jub control rooms although I ended up have to do a tidy in the Met/Jub to bring the room up to standard at the time. The new Bakerloo (the third Bakerloo control room during my service) control room was a location I knew well as I had the job of centralising all the Bakerloo stick phones there, putting train radio on the signalman desk suite, designing and installing the TED circuitry in the controller desk, all the associated works on level 5 and at sites and the final commissioning of those circuits. Of course the Cobourg Street desks got changed out again as I recall when BT got the job of installing new telephone kit similar to that which it installed for the Bakerloo. RT I remember when the TED went in we must have passed each other more than once. |
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 27, 2014 13:21:59 GMT
That simply is not so although the RMT would like to think it had the power to force it to be so! If you were around when the then new Bakerloo control room opened in the late 1980s you'll surely be aware that new controllers were made up on lower pay than existing controllers, most of whom choose to take severance or early retirement due to the increased workload. The Bakerloo of course was the trial 'Command and Control' live control room where the controller grade effectively wore all the hats, Controller, Info Assistant, Signalman and Engineering Works Controller. As for the desks in the control rooms, the original 1980s desks at Baker Street and Cobourg Street control rooms like those at Waterloo and other station operations room locations were brown because they were made from GRP to the same pattern for general use. I replaced all such desks at Cobourg Street with the metal blue/grey desks and my colleagues did the same in the Bakerloo/Central and Met/Jub control rooms although I ended up have to do a tidy in the Met/Jub to bring the room up to standard at the time. The new Bakerloo (the third Bakerloo control room during my service) control room was a location I knew well as I had the job of centralising all the Bakerloo stick phones there, putting train radio on the signalman desk suite, designing and installing the TED circuitry in the controller desk, all the associated works on level 5 and at sites and the final commissioning of those circuits. Of course the Cobourg Street desks got changed out again as I recall when BT got the job of installing new telephone kit similar to that which it installed for the Bakerloo. RT I remember when the TDE went in we must have passed each other more than once. |
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Post by drico on Feb 27, 2014 13:46:17 GMT
All signal post telephones have been taken out of service due to cost of maintaining them, on the Jubilee line a new system of trackside phones were put in when the TBTC signalling was installed. The phones were never used, what a waste of money.
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 27, 2014 13:50:30 GMT
That's more than likely, I spent quite a few shifts in and out of the Bakerloo control room at the time, mostly night shifts although I was days/nights as required at the time and did have some day shifts on that job. It all seems so long ago now and when I think about it, it is long ago! That said it seems like only yesterday that I was running in the new train radio leaky feeders between Embankment and Elephant & Castle off trains, walking the track night after night connecting up the new stick phones and commissioning them to the local signal cabins and subsequently replacing every tunnel telephone instrument on the line. I recall that a general commendation was awarded to the engineering staff who worked on the Bakerloo resignalling works and specifically on the changeover shift. I have a copy of it in my IRSE logbook along with the personal commendations I received for other works.
I haven't really thought much about it before but I did quite a lot of work on the Bakerloo, perhaps it doesn't register because it mostly occurred in a single year. The last Bakerloo job I did (I think) was recovery of the original Bakerloo redundant (made redundant by stage 1 Jubilee works but still wired in to the common power supplies) T/T rack from Baker Street substation during the Central line resignalling. We needed a temporary rack for the new substation at Park Royal on the Wood Lane - Park Royal T/T sections prior to the changeover from Old Oak Common S/S and before the new Westinghouse Central line T/T racks were installed. That was pretty much the last major Central line job I did too (it included running new cables from Wood Lane to Alperton via East Acton track parallelling hut) apart from a few odd minor works and my subsequent Crossrail impact surveys at Liverpool Street and Tottenham Court Road which were in 1995/6.
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Post by GentlemanJim on Feb 27, 2014 16:00:33 GMT
All signal post telephones have been taken out of service due to cost of maintaining them, on the Jubilee line a new system of trackside phones were put in when the TBTC signalling was installed. The phones were never used, what a waste of money. The Central Line SPT's went to the ELCP and not to Wood Lane although you could 'listen in' but not talk......stupid idea! |
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 27, 2014 17:45:44 GMT
All signal post telephones have been taken out of service due to cost of maintaining them, on the Jubilee line a new system of trackside phones were put in when the TBTC signalling was installed. The phones were never used, what a waste of money. The Central Line SPT's went to the ELCP and not to Wood Lane although you could 'listen in' but not talk......stupid idea! I never had anything to do with Central line SPTs after the resignalling, I never knew what system had been installed as it was all done by CLPT although I did know some of the former comms staff who had taken VS and joined CLPT. I worked out of Network House in Wood Lane seconded to CLPT during the few short weeks that I ran the new T/T cables and 'over and back' commissioned the Park Royal T/T circuits but other than that I had no involvement with CLPT or the resignalling works although I subsequently installed the local running staff PA system within White City station, an S&EC job, relocated a few speakers in the Shepherd's Bush station non-public area and did do a massive cable diversion at Tottenham Court Road as well as shift an entire CER along the platform at Chancery Lane one Friday night. The latter two jobs being Central Line resignalling enabling works freeing up room space for CLPT to install new equipment. The Jubilee SPTs are another matter. When JLE project was underway maintenance of SPTs on the existing Jubilee line was wrested from InfraCo JNP and when the JLE was completed we were asked to maintain the Jubilee SPTs once again. I was apalled to see the state of the SPT systems most of which had been installed by me in the 1980s during the Met/Jub resignalling to Stanmore. From what I could see they had all been left to rot, no maintenance having been carried out and all the standby batteries run flat, faulty lines unrepaired etc. Apparently JLE was going to install all new systems everywhere but the project ran out of money and so the old systems remained in service and the new phones that had been installed sat trackside covered up with sacks and connected to nowhere! It fell to me to sort out the mess especially at Wembley Park, Neasden and Willesden Green which were almost completely defunct. The system that made those systems (the same ones as used on Motorways) had long since gone out of business and even though another company was making spares they were as rare as hens teeth. Fortunately the Met had been installing its own new SPT system and this left spare equipment available at Finchley Road, Marlborough Road and Farringdon which I was able to purloin to get the old systems working again for the Jubilee. Where necessary we used the new phones installed by JLE to replace the defunct originals. I am not surprised that SPTs have been decommissioned on the Jubilee, just as Station - Station phones on the Picc were axed in a maintenance cost cutting. In all honestly Connect radio these days should be more than man for multiple tasks. Nevertheless it is always a shame to hear of more equipment going for scrap. I guess CSDE will be next because it is now life expired on the H&C, the first line which had it (although I don't think the first line commissioned) and another of my installation projects! |
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Post by hellocontrol on Feb 27, 2014 19:45:16 GMT
RT I remember when the TDE went in we must have passed each other more than once. I know it should have been TED now amended. |
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Post by hellocontrol on Feb 27, 2014 19:46:27 GMT
The Central Line SPT's went to the ELCP and not to Wood Lane although you could 'listen in' but not talk......stupid idea! I never had anything to do with Central line SPTs after the resignalling, I never knew what system had been installed as it was all done by CLPT although I did know some of the former comms staff who had taken VS and joined CLPT. I worked out of Network House in Wood Lane seconded to CLPT during the few short weeks that I ran the new T/T cables and 'over and back' commissioned the Park Royal T/T circuits but other than that I had no involvement with CLPT or the resignalling works although I subsequently installed the local running staff PA system within White City station, an S&EC job, relocated a few speakers in the Shepherd's Bush station non-public area and did do a massive cable diversion at Tottenham Court Road as well as shift an entire CER along the platform at Chancery Lane one Friday night. The latter two jobs being Central Line resignalling enabling works freeing up room space for CLPT to install new equipment. The Jubilee SPTs are another matter. When JLE project was underway maintenance of SPTs on the existing Jubilee line was wrested from InfraCo JNP and when the JLE was completed we were asked to maintain the Jubilee SPTs once again. I was apalled to see the state of the SPT systems most of which had been installed by me in the 1980s during the Met/Jub resignalling to Stanmore. From what I could see they had all been left to rot, no maintenance having been carried out and all the standby batteries run flat, faulty lines unrepaired etc. Apparently JLE was going to install all new systems everywhere but the project ran out of money and so the old systems remained in service and the new phones that had been installed sat trackside covered up with sacks and connected to nowhere! It fell to me to sort out the mess especially at Wembley Park, Neasden and Willesden Green which were almost completely defunct. The system that made those systems (the same ones as used on Motorways) had long since gone out of business and even though another company was making spares they were as rare as hens teeth. Fortunately the Met had been installing its own new SPT system and this left spare equipment available at Finchley Road, Marlborough Road and Farringdon which I was able to purloin to get the old systems working again for the Jubilee. Where necessary we used the new phones installed by JLE to replace the defunct originals. I am not surprised that SPTs have been decommissioned on the Jubilee, just as Station - Station phones on the Picc were axed in a maintenance cost cutting. In all honestly Connect radio these days should be more than man for multiple tasks. Nevertheless it is always a shame to hear of more equipment going for scrap. I guess CSDE will be next because it is now life expired on the H&C, the first line which had it (although I don't think the first line commissioned) and another of my installation projects! I think they have done away with SPTs on all lines now they have connect. |
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