1960TS

[GentlemanJim]

1960ts Cravens Unit. The good old days and the first ATO train.

[Deleted]

How many of these were built?

[GentlemanJim]

12 DM's and only 2 survive. The 3 car Cravens Unit owned by Cravens Heritage Trains and the TRV.

[Deleted]

Isn't that cravens unit currently at Northfields, I seem to remember passing something inside the sheds every time I go past the depot by train?

[julo]

Mar 11, 2013 19:29:15 GMT @fourfoot said:

Isn't that cravens unit currently at Northfields, I seem to remember passing something inside the sheds every time I go past the depot by train?

Yes it is, it sometimes moves around the depot under its own power

[GentlemanJim]

I've just re-read what I'd written, 4 DM's survive, 2 on the preserved Cravens Unit which has been quite rightly stated resides at Northfields Dt. and 2 on the TRV.

[GentlemanJim]

Oh and this bit survives at I believe Quainton Road.





Courtesy of Brian Hardy.

[bronzeonion]

Of note of the one at Quainton Road is it's the only 60ts cab with doors each side of the cab. Meaning this one was not coverted to ATO operation.

[GentlemanJim]

Mar 24, 2013 21:40:52 GMT bronzeonion said:

Of note of the one at Quainton Road is it's the only 60ts cab with doors each side of the cab. Meaning this one was not coverted to ATO operation.

Absolutely correct.

There was also 2 Cravens 60TS painted Red for the Epping-Ongar line 3906/07 (preserved) and 3908/09 that was scrapped along with 3902/03 some time in 95 or 96 but not before being stripped of useful parts accessible from track level. 3908/09 caught fire in Hainault Dt. due to an earth fault.

[bronzeonion]

Mar 24, 2013 22:15:38 GMT GentlemanJim said:

Mar 24, 2013 21:40:52 GMT bronzeonion said:

Of note of the one at Quainton Road is it's the only 60ts cab with doors each side of the cab. Meaning this one was not coverted to ATO operation.

Absolutely correct.

There was also 2 Cravens 60TS painted Red for the Epping-Ongar line 3906/07 (preserved) and 3908/09 that was scrapped along with 3902/03 some time in 95 or 96 but not before being stripped of useful parts accessible from track level. 3908/09 caught fire in Hainault Dt. due to an earth fault.

I didn't know there were two painted red. When were the D stock/83ts style lights fitted to 3906?

[fitztightly]

Mar 8, 2013 14:54:13 GMT GentlemanJim said:

1960ts Cravens Unit. The good old days and the first ATO train.

Actually the first ATO train was an 'R' Stock that ran between Northfields and Acton Town - not necessarily all the way, just on the test track - in about 1962 I believe.

I think the first ATO train in Passenger service was the Craven on the Hainault - Woodford loop, also where the 1967 stock was tested on delivery I think, and the ETT first ran 'Driverless' in the late 70s.

[Ex Picc]

Gary,

As far as I remember the first run in service was on the District line Stamford Brook-Ravenscourt Park EB T123 car 22682 in 1963. The test running was South Ealing-Acton Town.

[GentlemanJim]

Off the Tubeprune site: London Underground was the pioneer in the development of automatic train operation (ATO). Experiments were begun in 1963, first on the District Line at South Ealing and then with one train in passenger service between Stamford Brook and Ravenscourt Park (eastbound District). A full scale trial was carried out in 1964 on the Central Line shuttle service between Woodford and Hainault using 4-car 1960 Tube Stock units. The success of these trials resulted in it being decided to equip the new Victoria Line as an automatic railway. This was the first full scale automatic railway in the world. Now the Victoria Line system is almost 40 years old and it is still going strong. This article describes the system and its development.

[Ben]

Had the impression the second red 60ts went slightly later than 1995/6. Or was that just the 38 trailer from it?

Just out of interest, why were the centre cab door windows not re-enforced? Or was the extra beading on the inside of the window?

[railtechnician]

Mar 25, 2013 19:00:27 GMT GentlemanJim said:

Off the Tubeprune site: London Underground was the pioneer in the development of automatic train operation (ATO). Experiments were begun in 1963, first on the District Line at South Ealing and then with one train in passenger service between Stamford Brook and Ravenscourt Park (eastbound District). A full scale trial was carried out in 1964 on the Central Line shuttle service between Woodford and Hainault using 4-car 1960 Tube Stock units. The success of these trials resulted in it being decided to equip the new Victoria Line as an automatic railway. This was the first full scale automatic railway in the world. Now the Victoria Line system is almost 40 years old and it is still going strong. This article describes the system and its development.

What a shame that such pioneering work was wasted, like so much else in the world these days, pioneered in Britain and left for other countries to develop.