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Post by GentlemanJim on Nov 13, 2014 17:47:33 GMT
I was reversing here in 95' so took a quick picture before it all went, but where.
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Post by Nortube on Nov 13, 2014 18:46:06 GMT
Without looking it up, I think the choice of two routes on the shunt is probably a giveaway!
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Post by hellocontrol on Nov 13, 2014 19:53:46 GMT
I can suss out the small indicator 1/2 but what about the one underneath?
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Post by GentlemanJim on Nov 13, 2014 22:45:54 GMT
I can suss out the small indicator 1/2 but what about the one underneath? Good question..... don't know the answer though.
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 14, 2014 5:29:20 GMT
Looks like Liverpool Street to me, I've no idea what the bottom indicator was but it'll be on the old cabin diagram, any legible images of that around? It must be 20 years since I was last there.
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Post by hellocontrol on Nov 14, 2014 7:15:16 GMT
I should have said Liverpool Street, I liked working this cabin. I can't remember what that sign was perhaps a come to phone? Nothing to do with the floodgates as they are at the end of the sidings well a little bit further.
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Post by GentlemanJim on Nov 14, 2014 11:08:32 GMT
I should have said Liverpool Street, I liked working this cabin. I can't remember what that sign was perhaps a come to phone? Nothing to do with the floodgates as they are at the end of the sidings well a little bit further. It is indeed the Street....... I've looked on the Harsig diagrams and the 'box/indicator' isn't shown on there. The only pictures I've seen of the diagram are very grainy. Nice cabin to work and first to bed on nights.
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Post by Nortube on Nov 14, 2014 11:30:23 GMT
Two possibilities for the box come to mind: 1) Illuminated 'A' 2) Route secure
I assume A's were in use there at some point. I don't know if Route Secured had come into being by the time the photo was taken, although by the look of the box, it would seem to be older than that.
I assume that 1) and 2) would relate to the starter only, rather than the shunt signal. The box looks as if it's associated with the shunt signal rather than the starter. However, from past experience, I've found that the placing of equipment isn't always where you'd expect it to be.
Of course, if the Northern line is anything to go by, redundant equipment is often left on site for years - such as illuminated 'A' boxes still in place in controlled areas, despite the fact that they (presumably) became redundant when programme machines took over from signal cabins. On that basis, the box could have been for something that hadn't been in use for years.
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Post by hellocontrol on Nov 14, 2014 12:13:57 GMT
Two possibilities for the box come to mind: 1) Illuminated 'A' 2) Route secure I assume A's were in use there at some point. I don't know if Route Secured had come into being by the time the photo was taken, although by the look of the box, it would seem to be older than that. I assume that 1) and 2) would relate to the starter only, rather than the shunt signal. The box looks as if it's associated with the shunt signal rather than the starter. However, from past experience, I've found that the placing of equipment isn't always where you'd expect it to be. Of course, if the Northern line is anything to go by, redundant equipment is often left on site for years - such as illuminated 'A' boxes still in place in controlled areas, despite the fact that they (presumably) became redundant when programme machines took over from signal cabins. On that basis, the box could have been for something that hadn't been in use for years. I thought it might be a sign for circuit breakers in siding, I am almost sure they did not have route secure under the old signalling. Here are two photos of the diagram but nothing shown, I seem to remember that there was a switch on the frame for the sidings which I am sure operated that sign.
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 14, 2014 12:19:59 GMT
I should have said Liverpool Street, I liked working this cabin. I can't remember what that sign was perhaps a come to phone? Nothing to do with the floodgates as they are at the end of the sidings well a little bit further. It is indeed the Street....... I've looked on the Harsig diagrams and the 'box/indicator' isn't shown on there. The only pictures I've seen of the diagram are very grainy. Nice cabin to work and first to bed on nights. If it's not on the diagram then it probably won't be signalling. 'Come to telephone' is most likely at a signal location for a non-signalling indication although I can't recall that facility there. I do recall the TAS/SPT panel in the cabin as being a 'double Protowire' (type 537 IIRC) panel i.e. the double height unit having two speech circuits rather than the more common 12 way Protowire 528 with a single speech circuit which was used in many locations including some signal cabins e.g. Rayners Lane. Liverpool St CLR TAS/SPT was one of the few Comms items that I had little or nothing to do with there, I recovered, installed, relocated and diverted pretty much everything else PA, CCTV, Auto and direct line telephones, Tunnel Telephones, Floodgate telephones, sumps and pumps etc
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 14, 2014 12:51:07 GMT
Route Secured signs would be shown on the cabin diagram. 'A' signs would not exist unless the controlled signals were automatically cleared under king lever operation or were exceptions (e.g. floodgate signals). AFAIK king levers were for through running only and reversing required a signalman in the cabin to set the routes.
It is true that redundant equipment and cable could be left in situ for years. However, redundant signage and signals would be securely covered up usually with hessian sacking.
In a siding there'd be no need for a CB indication, it would be at the platform in the siding T/T Control Unit. I can recall having to manually reset the siding CBs there when testing the siding T/T circuitry on night shift. A long walk to the end of the sidings from the platform unlike other sites where the siding CBs are at the end nearest the platform e.g. Wood Green and Hyde Park Corner.
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Post by Nortube on Nov 14, 2014 12:56:54 GMT
Ignore my previous comments. I thought the shunt was with the EB starter, whereas in fact it's one of the siding outlet signals, so the RS and 'A' wouldn't have been used there. Perhaps "The stick's off driver, what are you waiting for" (in very small text )
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Post by hellocontrol on Nov 14, 2014 13:03:52 GMT
Route Secured signs would be shown on the cabin diagram. 'A' signs would not exist unless the controlled signals were automatically cleared under king lever operation or were exceptions (e.g. floodgate signals). AFAIK king levers were for through running only and reversing required a signalman in the cabin to set the routes. It is true that redundant equipment and cable could be left in situ for years. However, redundant signage and signals would be securely covered up usually with hessian sacking. In a siding there'd be no need for a CB indication, it would be at the platform in the siding T/T Control Unit. I can recall having to manually reset the siding CBs there when testing the siding T/T circuitry on night shift. A long walk to the end of the sidings from the platform unlike other sites where the siding CBs are at the end nearest the platform e.g. Wood Green and Hyde Park Corner. Did'nt some sidings have plungers I seem to recall somewhere but where?
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Post by Nortube on Nov 14, 2014 15:16:30 GMT
Tooting Broadway had the Push to reset Circuit Breaker plunger if the juice came off in the siding, although this was an enamelled sign below the plunger. Some Northern line open section sidings had the donkey dick plunger that you pressed to let the Regulator / programme machine know that you were ready to depart (or, in the case of High Barnet, what road you were on).
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Post by hellocontrol on Nov 14, 2014 18:43:36 GMT
Tooting Broadway had the Push to reset Circuit Breaker plunger if the juice came off in the siding, although this was an enamelled sign below the plunger. Some Northern line open section sidings had the donkey dick plunger that you pressed to let the Regulator / programme machine know that you were ready to depart (or, in the case of High Barnet, what road you were on). I knew there was somewhere thanks for that, they had those plungers at quite a few places Parsons Green being one but a lot of drivers there used to get over excited.
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