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Post by ComGCOS on Mar 4, 2013 13:46:04 GMT
I notice that the LU Traffic Circular has recently detailed several weekday events, over recent weeks, at Olympia which would, under the terms of the usual train service provision to Olympia, have been operated by trains under the usual TTN. However in each case the provision was/is by a Replacement Bus Service. This includes the week just started. The Traffic Circular lists no reason for a replacement bus to be operated in preference to a train service, which it usually would! Are there in fact any genuine reasons for this? Or could this be because "they" don't really want to provide the train service to Olympia (in order to provided a worthless extra train to Wimbledon) and this is a prelude to closing it? The early, mid evening and late trips to/from Olympia are still booked to work normally, lending further to the view this replacement bus service is not all it may seem or necessary??
Does anyone know if the absence of the train service is for genuine reasons??
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Post by HiRoGliffick on Mar 4, 2013 15:31:46 GMT
There are so many customers that still don't realise that there is no train service or bus replacement for events. Then there's the reduction in trains to High Street Kensington that got brushed under the carpet also.
I note that the TC says the bus will depart from the Earls Court Exhibition forecourt rather than the bus stop though.
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Post by Zippy on Mar 4, 2013 15:35:43 GMT
I'm not sure the extra trains to/from Wimbledon released by not running this service are worthless. You try and get on one in a morning; even with the 'enhanced' service.
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Post by Weak Field on Mar 5, 2013 1:33:31 GMT
They are worthless if you want to go to/from Olympia! That said I do believe there are only actually two extra trips in each peak, the other increase in D stock on the branch just offsets the reduction in peak C stock from 10 trains to 8. Anyway...why are buses replacing the Exhibition Olympia Train service?
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Post by Zippy on Mar 5, 2013 2:10:25 GMT
There were never more 8 C stocks on the locals and they trundle up and down every 10 minutes right through.
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Post by districtinstuctor on Mar 5, 2013 10:15:38 GMT
There were never more 8 C stocks on the locals and they trundle up and down every 10 minutes right through. I'm guessing you are thinking of T70-77, however there used to be T161 and T162 which were interpeak stablers which were Wimblewere C stocks. They disappeared a few years back mind, not sure exactly when, WTT137 maybe.
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Post by Nortube on Mar 5, 2013 10:21:31 GMT
Are LU obliged to run a service anywhere? I know the Olympic shuttle used to be a run as required service before it weent to a regular service before (seemingly) stopping completely.
Or does a bus service as required count as the NR equivalent of a parliamentary train?
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Post by Zippy on Mar 5, 2013 13:29:52 GMT
There were never more 8 C stocks on the locals and they trundle up and down every 10 minutes right through. I'm guessing you are thinking of T70-77, however there used to be T161 and T162 which were interpeak stablers which were Wimblewere C stocks. They disappeared a few years back mind, not sure exactly when, WTT137 maybe. They must have been gone for over 2 years as they only come out to play when the weekend service uses C stock. As the OLY service was still running whern I went over, and 161 and 162 weren't there by then, it wasn't a replacement for them.
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Post by Weak Field on Mar 5, 2013 14:06:21 GMT
I'd need to get up to the loft and look at the old timetables, but my recollection of events was:-
8 x C off peak and 10 x C peak + peak service to Olympia.
8 x C all times + 1 x peak Olympia train formally diverted to Wimbledon a trip missing out 2 x Olympia.
8 x C all times + 1 x peak Olympia train formally diverted to Wimbledon a trip, remaining Oly train now has stepping back at HSK.
8 x C all times + Olympia withdrawn, both trains (but not numbered 151/2) do a trip each to Wimbledon in each peak.
What I can't quite remember is if the two peak C stock were withdrawn at the same time as the peak Olympia was sent to Wimbledon or if the diversion of the peak Olympia was as a result of the peak C's being withdrawn. I think the peak C's were withdrawn due to persistent shortage of serviceable rolling stock (remembering at that time Districts had free reign of P2 and P3 at Edgware Road so turnarounds were not so pressured!!).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 12:01:46 GMT
I can certainly recall a period when in the morning peak 161/162 were still around, and 127 (which did Olympias until 152 got down from UPM) did an additional Wimbledon.
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Post by Weak Field on Mar 6, 2013 21:13:55 GMT
I can certainly recall a period when in the morning peak 161/162 were still around, and 127 (which did Olympias until 152 got down from UPM) did an additional Wimbledon. Yes! yes! 152 didn't actually do Olympias until after the morning peak. It took that long to get there! It was the last train out of Upminster depot at about 0800, doing UPM - EBY - HSK - OLY
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Post by julo on Mar 7, 2013 11:25:59 GMT
Apparently the Rail Replacement Bus Service for today has been cancelled
I think T161/162 was withdrawn in Dec 2009
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Post by DistrictIO on Mar 8, 2013 10:54:20 GMT
The two extra peak hour C stocks, 161 and 162, ceased to operate when the new extended Circle line service started.
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