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Post by hellocontrol on Dec 10, 2013 13:14:12 GMT
I hope someone can help.
Central NHG
Bakerloo GH
Met GH
Vic BR
Dis AH
Pic EC
Nor WS
Jub STR
That's where I remember them have there been any changes?
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Post by GentlemanJim on Dec 10, 2013 15:05:02 GMT
I hope someone can help. Central NHG Bakerloo GH Met GH Vic BR Dis AH Pic EC Nor WS Jub STR That's where I remember them have there been any changes? As far as I know NHG is still the back up for the Central and STR for the Jubilee. How much 'backup' do these sites actually provide if the main SCC fails completely? I know the one at NHG was as much good as a chocolate tea pot, Train Radio and a Phone, not sure if you could actually knock the juice off from there but you certainly couldn't take control of the signalling system. |
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Post by hellocontrol on Dec 10, 2013 19:46:53 GMT
I think the amount of control is/was degraded conditions I know on the Bakerloo the trains had to be double manned and all sorts of other things and like you say what was provided was pretty basic.
On the more modern Jubilee/Victoria/Northern I would think it's a lot better due to what is used.
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Post by GentlemanJim on Dec 11, 2013 20:50:32 GMT
I think the amount of control is/was degraded conditions I know on the Bakerloo the trains had to be double manned and all sorts of other things and like you say what was provided was pretty basic. On the more modern Jubilee/Victoria/Northern I would think it's a lot better due to what is used. I wouldn't bank on it, LU have a mind set of cheap and cheerful, cost and corner cutting. When I was at Wood Lane occasionally a SS would request local control for training/refresher. The sequence for this was, request to LC, pass on to Duty Engineer, DE would then have to go downstairs phone the SS and switch over control, the LC was not involved. Now, if the SCC was evacuated the Emergency control room at NHG would be used and assuming nothing happened the line would run but, if anything went wrong there would be no way of handing over to the ELCP's to short trip/reverse etc. In a nutshell there is now little or no persons there who could manage the line without an 'overview' unlike LC's of old, communication would breakdown rapidly. Remember, the SCC has Radio and Telephone comms on all desks so any one of 6 people can respond if the LC can't. It's all well and good having SCC's but unless there is an effective backup putting all one's eggs in one basket is tad daft, to say the least. I believe LU have been very lucky so far but that luck will run out one day with all the consequences that go with it. |
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Post by drico on Dec 12, 2013 9:03:40 GMT
As the number of staff trained to operate local control panels gets less and less each year one day the railway will come to a grinding halt !
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Post by GentlemanJim on Dec 12, 2013 13:09:35 GMT
As the number of staff trained to operate local control panels gets less and less each year one day the railway will come to a grinding halt ! Absolutely. I read this morning that LU are looking to make staff 'roaming' so they can work at multiple locations I would lay £ to the penny that covering ELCP's hasn't been thought of, I might be wrong but I doubt it. I believe LU are walking a very slack tightrope where one day they'll fall off but when that day does come 99% of those implementing these new working practices will not be there to answer for there failings. I was an unpaid Director of a company, I took the role and the responsibility that went with it, if it all went wrong the buck stopped at my door unlike those in LU who take the money but run like scared rabbits when the brown stuff hits the fan. |
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 12, 2013 21:17:51 GMT
As the number of staff trained to operate local control panels gets less and less each year one day the railway will come to a grinding halt ! Absolutely. I read this morning that LU are looking to make staff 'roaming' so they can work at multiple locations I would lay £ to the penny that covering ELCP's hasn't been thought of, I might be wrong but I doubt it. I believe LU are walking a very slack tightrope where one day they'll fall off but when that day does come 99% of those implementing these new working practices will not be there to answer for there failings. I was an unpaid Director of a company, I took the role and the responsibility that went with it, if it all went wrong the buck stopped at my door unlike those in LU who take the money but run like scared rabbits when the brown stuff hits the fan. An interesting comment GJ, I ran into several of the type you describe as scared rabbits, not just on engineering but also on the operating department. I think it was Fennell in his report into the Kings Cross fire that suggested it was bad practice for LU to be basically controlled by engineers, as he perceived the management organisation at the time, and that the operating department should take the reins of power. I happen to think he was wrong! |
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