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Post by dave1 on Oct 6, 2016 12:26:23 GMT
I think the second link shows when they went on a unofficial visit although it appears to be official as far as I know they don't do this station. I think it was an official visit, SB have built a good reputation for getting organised access to such locations, I would not see them risking that with a UE visit although I'm fairly sure that SB began that way long ago ! I said unofficial visit as there have not been any public ones (plenty of unofficial) other than the usual locations Down Street, Aldwych. I found that SB was a closed circle of people who don't want to share anything and by that I mean they have more information than they show on their site but unless you are in the inner circle.
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 6, 2016 13:26:18 GMT
Generally speaking the tube stations built in the first decade of the 20th century followed a familiar pattern, typically two platforms with a two sets of stairs between leading to the lower lift landing and emergency staircase, one set from the exit side and the other from the entry side. Somewhere while looking into this I saw a comment about the unusual staircase to street level. It's not unusual at all, it is typical of an emergency detraining location such as found on the Central and Victoria lines and elsewhere. RT thanks I suppose it was all down to what use was being made of the station. I am sure that I have seen a Central line location on one of those sites. Actually I was not thinking of stations but emergency detraining points which are not at stations! That said I can think of one such staircase at a Picc station and that is the second emergency staircase at Holloway Road station, immediately to the left when entering the station at street level although it is hidden behind a wooden access door these days. The shaft in which that staircase resides was the shaft which originally housed the one and only London Underground spiral escalator.
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 6, 2016 13:42:17 GMT
I think it was an official visit, SB have built a good reputation for getting organised access to such locations, I would not see them risking that with a UE visit although I'm fairly sure that SB began that way long ago ! I said unofficial visit as there have not been any public ones (plenty of unofficial) other than the usual locations Down Street, Aldwych. I found that SB was a closed circle of people who don't want to share anything and by that I mean they have more information than they show on their site but unless you are in the inner circle. There is a subtle difference between public and other visits to locations but both can be official i.e. organised properly arranged visits can be official but not open to the public, in that regard SB gains access to many otherwise private places that the public will never be allowed to visit. For those of us who worked/work on the network such visits were/are official for purposes of various types of maintenance, typically communications, lighting and various services, and also for survey, planning and installation works for proposed installations or modernisation e.g. UPS switchrooms, signal equipment rooms, comms equipment rooms etc I take unofficial to mean strictly illegal UE visits which are not to be encouraged ever for H&S and security reasons but also because it is trespassing.
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Post by hellocontrol on Oct 6, 2016 16:39:26 GMT
Technically the visit was unofficial although local management knew about it but no one else, 55 Bdy or Divisional offices. There was a big uproar about it and the members of staff who arranged the visits were told not to do anymore. The reason the controller did not worry about the alarm was that he was told a local visit for staff. SB do go to some very nice places and they have the owners permission, in this case the staff members were SB members. I seem to remember that at one location the group were right next to live rails!!
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 7, 2016 10:51:48 GMT
Technically the visit was unofficial although local management knew about it but no one else, 55 Bdy or Divisional offices. There was a big uproar about it and the members of staff who arranged the visits were told not to do anymore. The reason the controller did not worry about the alarm was that he was told a local visit for staff. SB do go to some very nice places and they have the owners permission, in this case the staff members were SB members. I seem to remember that at one location the group were right next to live rails!! Interesting as the very comment suggests that 'local management' were not 'official' ! Obviously that is ridiculous and from what you say the 'local management' were acting beyond the limits of their authority which I would call unauthorised but not unofficial. There is of course a huge difference between what may be 'official' and what may be 'authorised'. I can think of many instances of authorised but otherwise unofficial events both on and off duty which occurred during my years at LUL in the days when the company was far less 'corporate' than it is today and 'local management' ran the job. That all began to change in the late 1980s!
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Post by Nortube on Oct 7, 2016 12:06:56 GMT
I agree. Things were so much simpler in the past. Any visit etc. was generally arranged at local station / depot level if necessary, or possibly at divisional level if several sites were involved. Taking operational staff on visits shouldn't be a problem as they are all trained in the various safety issues. Anything else would be covered in the briefing at the start of the visit. Even non-staff would have any safety issues etc. covered on both the briefing and at each location. In the past I regularly took people, both staff and members of the public around various places and also took groups of public visitors on day visits around various non-public areas in the past (including disused areas and depot) with the local managers' consent if required and it was never a problem. As with anything, a lot of it was common sense. "Don't lick your finger and touch the rail to see if it's live". Some of those things would be probably be harder to arrange today, especially for the public, because there will no doubt be too much red tap.
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Post by hellocontrol on Oct 7, 2016 18:07:13 GMT
Technically the visit was unofficial although local management knew about it but no one else, 55 Bdy or Divisional offices. There was a big uproar about it and the members of staff who arranged the visits were told not to do anymore. The reason the controller did not worry about the alarm was that he was told a local visit for staff. SB do go to some very nice places and they have the owners permission, in this case the staff members were SB members. I seem to remember that at one location the group were right next to live rails!! Interesting as the very comment suggests that 'local management' were not 'official' ! Obviously that is ridiculous and from what you say the 'local management' were acting beyond the limits of their authority which I would call unauthorised but not unofficial. There is of course a huge difference between what may be 'official' and what may be 'authorised'. I can think of many instances of authorised but otherwise unofficial events both on and off duty which occurred during my years at LUL in the days when the company was far less 'corporate' than it is today and 'local management' ran the job. That all began to change in the late 1980s! Ridiculous or not that is how the operating department was and those in the Ivory tower thought themselves gods. Prior to the company plan the only operating staff to normally visit Bull & Bush were control grades and above this also applied to other locations but seemed to ease in later years. One GSM started visits to disused stations with the proceeds going to charity,
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Post by dave1 on Oct 8, 2016 12:56:46 GMT
Technically the visit was unofficial although local management knew about it but no one else, 55 Bdy or Divisional offices. There was a big uproar about it and the members of staff who arranged the visits were told not to do anymore. The reason the controller did not worry about the alarm was that he was told a local visit for staff. SB do go to some very nice places and they have the owners permission, in this case the staff members were SB members. I seem to remember that at one location the group were right next to live rails!! Interesting as the very comment suggests that 'local management' were not 'official' ! Obviously that is ridiculous and from what you say the 'local management' were acting beyond the limits of their authority which I would call unauthorised but not unofficial. There is of course a huge difference between what may be 'official' and what may be 'authorised'. I can think of many instances of authorised but otherwise unofficial events both on and off duty which occurred during my years at LUL in the days when the company was far less 'corporate' than it is today and 'local management' ran the job. That all began to change in the late 1980s! So it was unofficial then or unauthorised take your pick it all means the same at the end of the day.
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Post by dave1 on Apr 2, 2017 17:58:37 GMT
Re my question of what TSB stands for I think I have cracked it, Tube Station Bridge. I think it sounds right and RT mentioned about bridge.
I have a few other codes so if anyone can help and these ones have 4 letters.
CDBB CTYR HMSS
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 8, 2017 6:27:28 GMT
Re my question of what TSB stands for I think I have cracked it, Tube Station Bridge. I think it sounds right and RT mentioned about bridge. I have a few other codes so if anyone can help and these ones have 4 letters. CDBB CTYR HMSS Other codes in relation to what exactly? Where have you seen them?
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Post by dave1 on Apr 9, 2017 14:40:39 GMT
Re my question of what TSB stands for I think I have cracked it, Tube Station Bridge. I think it sounds right and RT mentioned about bridge. I have a few other codes so if anyone can help and these ones have 4 letters. CDBB CTYR HMSS Other codes in relation to what exactly? Where have you seen them? I don't have any idea what the codes relate to, they were in a document about LU but no mention of what or where.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 10, 2017 2:59:13 GMT
Other codes in relation to what exactly? Where have you seen them? I don't have any idea what the codes relate to, they were in a document about LU but no mention of what or where. Same question! What was the nature of the document, it must contain relevant references.
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Post by dave1 on Apr 10, 2017 5:19:02 GMT
I don't have any idea what the codes relate to, they were in a document about LU but no mention of what or where. Same question! What was the nature of the document, it must contain relevant references. Same answer!! The document did not identify which area signals/trains/stations or any other area. All there was on the cover was the word Fascia with a contact number in 55 Broadway.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 10, 2017 22:49:19 GMT
Same question! What was the nature of the document, it must contain relevant references. Same answer!! The document did not identify which area signals/trains/stations or any other area. All there was on the cover was the word Fascia with a contact number in 55 Broadway. I see, so you didn't see 'the document' except for its cover, the title and the three FLAs. It may have nothing whatsoever to do with the railway, its engineering and operations. It could have been something to do with office furniture or a dozen other things. Until there is some proper and meaningful reference in the context of the railway it is nothing but an unrelated carelessly tossed curveball. We can speculate that it may be something to do with ticket offices, control rooms, SORs etc, the display portion of a piece of equipment or furniture, station panelling or other surface.
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Post by dave1 on Apr 11, 2017 11:21:54 GMT
Same answer!! The document did not identify which area signals/trains/stations or any other area. All there was on the cover was the word Fascia with a contact number in 55 Broadway. I see, so you didn't see 'the document' except for its cover, the title and the three FLAs. It may have nothing whatsoever to do with the railway, its engineering and operations. It could have been something to do with office furniture or a dozen other things. Until there is some proper and meaningful reference in the context of the railway it is nothing but an unrelated carelessly tossed curveball. We can speculate that it may be something to do with ticket offices, control rooms, SORs etc, the display portion of a piece of equipment or furniture, station panelling or other surface. I did see the document, I was just saying what was on the cover. The document covered various aspects of LU but only mentioned the codes as being locations but not exactly they were or what they meant.
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