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Post by peteuxb on Feb 10, 2016 23:22:23 GMT
dave1, I never intended the discussion on the Stockwell incident to get this deep to be honest. The debate between railtechnician and me was already starting to become a bit heated so I posted a comment about Stockwell intending it to be something like an "at least we agree on something!" My history is of being a guard on Piccadilly Line from 1970-73 then as a (crew)driver on same until 1985. I then transferred to H&C/Circle as an OPO driver til 1987 when I moved to Metropolitan in same role where I remained until retiring in 2009. I have a lot of experience of potential accidents at the platform/train interface and perhaps that's why this debate has had to end as an 'agree to disagree' jobbie between myself and railtechnician. Hope that clears the air a little.
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Post by dave1 on Feb 11, 2016 14:17:17 GMT
dave1, I never intended the discussion on the Stockwell incident to get this deep to be honest. The debate between railtechnician and me was already starting to become a bit heated so I posted a comment about Stockwell intending it to be something like an "at least we agree on something!" My history is of being a guard on Piccadilly Line from 1970-73 then as a (crew)driver on same until 1985. I then transferred to H&C/Circle as an OPO driver til 1987 when I moved to Metropolitan in same role where I remained until retiring in 2009. I have a lot of experience of potential accidents at the platform/train interface and perhaps that's why this debate has had to end as an 'agree to disagree' jobbie between myself and railtechnician. Hope that clears the air a little. peteuxb thanks for that at least you have worked on the railway unlike on some forums people make statements and they don't have a clue. There will always be agree to disagree it happens everyday and depending on people's experiences with things, I remember being told of an incident on the Piccadilly line many years ago a train was leaving Kings Cross going EB and someone called out the Guard looked round and that was it no one on the train knew until the doors did not open at the next station. He had come into contact with the headwall and had been decapitated.
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Post by hellocontrol on Feb 13, 2016 13:52:02 GMT
dave1, I never intended the discussion on the Stockwell incident to get this deep to be honest. The debate between railtechnician and me was already starting to become a bit heated so I posted a comment about Stockwell intending it to be something like an "at least we agree on something!" My history is of being a guard on Piccadilly Line from 1970-73 then as a (crew)driver on same until 1985. I then transferred to H&C/Circle as an OPO driver til 1987 when I moved to Metropolitan in same role where I remained until retiring in 2009. I have a lot of experience of potential accidents at the platform/train interface and perhaps that's why this debate has had to end as an 'agree to disagree' jobbie between myself and railtechnician. Hope that clears the air a little. What depot was you at on the Picc? I was at Acton 1976-77, remember when they did the canteen I was at Hammersmith & Baker St for the H&C until 1986.
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Post by peteuxb on Feb 13, 2016 22:44:58 GMT
dave1, Yes indeed, people can hold strong views on a particular subject (especially if they have personal experience of it) and an 'agree to disagree' is often the only way to go on such occasions. Sadly there have been several accidents as you described over the years of crew operation on the Underground, where the guard was distracted and failed to get himself fully back inside the train before reaching the headwall at a deep-tube station. This potential danger was emphasised during my training as a guard but sadly a few people forgot. hellocontrol, As you were at Acton Town 1976-77 our paths must have crossed! I was at South Harrow 1970-73 then at Northfields til 1985. By the way my move to Hammersmith (H&C/Circle) was for the higher rate of pay for OPO back then. In work slang of those days I was an 'MGB' - a money-grabbing potato!
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Post by hellocontrol on Feb 14, 2016 9:28:46 GMT
dave1, Yes indeed, people can hold strong views on a particular subject (especially if they have personal experience of it) and an 'agree to disagree' is often the only way to go on such occasions. Sadly there have been several accidents as you described over the years of crew operation on the Underground, where the guard was distracted and failed to get himself fully back inside the train before reaching the headwall at a deep-tube station. This potential danger was emphasised during my training as a guard but sadly a few people forgot. hellocontrol, As you were at Acton Town 1976-77 our paths must have crossed! I was at South Harrow 1970-73 then at Northfields til 1985. By the way my move to Hammersmith (H&C/Circle) was for the higher rate of pay for OPO back then. In work slang of those days I was an 'MGB' - a money-grabbing potato! We had night turns at Northfields on a Saturday night some people would up west and then come back before they were due out of the depot. There was an SM who I always saw at South Harrow who wore a Bow tie he later went on the Bakerloo line. When I went OPO it was for a transfer but it was the money as well, I remember the term MGB used by a lot of people.
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Post by Nortube on Feb 16, 2016 10:24:19 GMT
@ hellocontrol
Looks like I just missed you at Acton!
I transferred to Acton Picc as a Motorman from Morden around November (I think) 1977, having finally gone from Guard / MM to Motorman about four months earlier. I was there for about a year before transferring back to Morden in November 1978.
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Post by hellocontrol on Feb 28, 2016 11:36:34 GMT
@ hellocontrol Looks like I just missed you at Acton! I transferred to Acton Picc as a Motorman from Morden around November (I think) 1977, having finally gone from Guard / MM to Motorman about four months earlier. I was there for about a year before transferring back to Morden in November 1978. I left Acton to go to the Bakerloo in the July but we would have been working on the Northern at the same time before that though. When I was a station guard at Oval not that I ever went there I was at Morden and my driver was Len Berez I think that's how he spelled his name.
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