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Post by dave1 on Mar 23, 2013 11:30:42 GMT
I am fasinated by all the disused bits of the tube but can anyone tell me what all the fuss is about Bull & Bush. I have seen other sites but they do not want to go in to too much detail. So can someone please explain and perhaps there are other stations.
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Post by GentlemanJim on Mar 23, 2013 12:44:27 GMT
I am fasinated by all the disused bits of the tube but can anyone tell me what all the fuss is about Bull & Bush. I have seen other sites but they do not want to go in to too much detail. So can someone please explain and perhaps there are other stations. A quick google search came up with the link below. There are many sites on the www. if you google something like 'abandoned tube stations' you'll probably have more reading material than you can get through in a life time. On the Central there are 4 abandoned stations, Wood Lane, British Museum, Buckhurst Hill and Loughton. Buckhurst Hill was rebuilt which left the Station Masters house (still standing) a little away from the new station, Loughton was rebuilt originally terminating close to the High Road of which up to a few years ago bits of it could still be found. The list does not include Blake Hall, North Weald and Ongar. There are miles of disused tunnels, probably far too many to list and probably some lost in the midst of time I'm sure there will be others who will come along and tell you where there are more but have a google first. Bull and Bush. underground-history.co.uk/bullbush.php
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Post by Nortube on Mar 23, 2013 13:03:07 GMT
There's nothing really special about Bull and Bush (or North End as it's sometimes known as). Another site is Abandoned stations.org which you may have already seen. This has a good description of the station, www.abandonedstations.org.uk/North_End_station.htmlA summary. The station tunnels and access were built but not all of the station was completed as it was later decided that there wouldn't be enough passengers using it. Like anywhere that has empty spaces, use was found for some of the rooms when they installed the floodgate control centre (related to the operation of the floodgates etc. on some lines). This has long since been abandoned as floodgates are no longer though necessary in most areas since the Thames barrier was built. A google search for Bull and Bush floodgate control will bring up some links, including this site: www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/n/north_end_station/index.shtmlwhich gives some details and pictures. On the Northern line, the only abandoned station is King William Street (technically a City & South London Railway station!) near Monument. Unless you count Stockwell where the platforms were moved further south (and a crossover now occupies their site, but the rest of the original station was still used.), there are no other disused stations on the Northern line, although there are the deep level shelters that were built at different locations.
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Post by dave1 on Mar 23, 2013 16:02:30 GMT
I am fasinated by all the disused bits of the tube but can anyone tell me what all the fuss is about Bull & Bush. I have seen other sites but they do not want to go in to too much detail. So can someone please explain and perhaps there are other stations. A quick google search came up with the link below. There are many sites on the www. if you google something like 'abandoned tube stations' you'll probably have more reading material than you can get through in a life time. On the Central there are 4 abandoned stations, Wood Lane, British Museum, Buckhurst Hill and Loughton. Buckhurst Hill was rebuilt which left the Station Masters house (still standing) a little away from the new station, Loughton was rebuilt originally terminating close to the High Road of which up to a few years ago bits of it could still be found. The list does not include Blake Hall, North Weald and Ongar. There are miles of disused tunnels, probably far too many to list and probably some lost in the midst of time I'm sure there will be others who will come along and tell you where there are more but have a google first. Bull and Bush. underground-history.co.uk/bullbush.phpGJ many thanks I have seen those sites but they all seem to not say anything really, in the book about the Hampstead tube there is a photo of a control panel the only one I have seen still a mystery surrounding the place.
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Post by Nortube on Mar 23, 2013 16:10:52 GMT
I missed the subbrit link in my previous post- now added. That includes a picture of a panel at Leicester square which is similar to what would have been at Bull & Bush
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Post by dave1 on Mar 24, 2013 13:32:09 GMT
I missed the subbrit link in my previous post- now added. That includes a picture of a panel at Leicester square which is similar to what would have been at Bull & Bush On the Subbrit site that picture is the same as the one in the Hampstead Tube book and that states that it is at Bull & Bush. So does that mean the whole panel from Leicester Square was moved? The plot thickens.
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Post by Nortube on Mar 24, 2013 14:00:02 GMT
I'm not too well up on the history of the floodgates, but there is some background information here: www.londonreconnections.com/2012/a-familiar-fear-flooding-the-underground/Originally floodgates were installed at some stations in 1939 to prevent the risk of flooding in the case of bomb damage. Later, there was a fresh series of installation during the cold war, although I think flooding of the tube would probably be very low on the list of things to worry about if London was hit by a nuclear bomb! Bull and Bush was to be the floodgate control centre. The panel at Leicester Square (the Northern line's headquarters) was probably one from the 1939 era.
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Post by railtechnician on Mar 24, 2013 19:39:52 GMT
Plans for the original floodgates were drawn up in 1936, the additional floodgates planned in 1956 and the last two floodgates were added in 1968. I believe control was relocated from Leicester Square to Bull & Bush when the second tranche of floodgates was installed.
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Post by Nortube on Mar 25, 2013 21:38:31 GMT
dave1
I forgot that I actually had an unread article about Bull and Bush! I've just read it and I would recommend it to you if you can get a copy. It is 15 pages long and gives a lot of information about the origins, design and later floodgate control room use. It should answer any questions you have.It also contains some photos by Nick Catford, some of which are found on the internet.
Apparently, the panel at Bull and Bush is the same one from Leicester Square, it was later transferred to Bull and Bush.
The article is in the January 2013 (number 74) issue of The London Railway Record. They do have a web site, but there is very little detail on there and no contact details.
The back of the magazine has the following contact details:#The London Railway Record, PO Box 9561, Colchester, CO1 9DL. 020-3195 1242
You may be able to buy it as a back issue, or I believe that the Ian Allen bookshop at Waterloo stocks the Record - £3.95.
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Post by trammedic on Mar 30, 2013 21:55:01 GMT
On the Northern line, the only abandoned station is King William Street (technically a City & South London Railway station!) near Monument. Unless you count Stockwell where the platforms were moved further south (and a crossover now occupies their site, but the rest of the original station was still used.), there are no other disused stations on the Northern line
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Post by Nortube on Mar 30, 2013 22:38:40 GMT
invisible ink?
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Post by dave1 on Mar 31, 2013 11:13:37 GMT
dave1 I forgot that I actually had an unread article about Bull and Bush! I've just read it and I would recommend it to you if you can get a copy. It is 15 pages long and gives a lot of information about the origins, design and later floodgate control room use. It should answr any questions you have.It also contains some photos by Nick Catford, some of which are found on the internet. Apparently, the panel at Bull and Bush is the same one from Leicester Square, it was later transferred to Bull and Bush. The article is in the January 2013 (number 74) issue of The London Railway Record. They do have a web site, but there is very little detail on there and no contact details. The back of the magazine has the following contact details:#The London Railway Record, PO Box 9561, Colchester, CO1 9DL. 020-3195 1242 You may be able to buy it as a back issue, or I believe that the Ian Allen bookshop at Waterloo stocks the Record - £3.95. Thanks for that I will make enquiries.
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Post by trammedic on Apr 9, 2013 11:27:00 GMT
On the Northern line, the only abandoned station is King William Street (technically a City & South London Railway station!) near Monument. Unless you count Stockwell where the platforms were moved further south (and a crossover now occupies their site, but the rest of the original station was still used.), there are no other disused stations on the Northern line
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Post by trammedic on Apr 9, 2013 11:31:32 GMT
Silly me! New to the site, so didn't actually manage to post my reply!
Anyway, I was going to ask if Kentish Town West qualified as an abandoned station.
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Post by Nortube on Apr 9, 2013 12:52:11 GMT
Do you mean South Kentish Town - I'd forgotten that one, so that counts!
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